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Posted on Jun 10th, 10:33 AM, , User Since 212 months ago, User Post Count: 9944
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Lets take a look at Lee's actual resume and his success or lack of success at his previous two head coaching positions. No opinions here, just facts.
CofC in the five years prior to Lee
Three regionals
One Super
Three SoCon regular season championships
One SoCon tournament championship
Winning %: .702
SoCon winning %: .787CofC in five years under Lee in SoCon
Two regionals
Zero Supers
One SoCon regular season championship
Zero SoCon tournament championships
Winning %: .627
SoCon winning %: .644So, Lee won at a lower percentage both overall and in conference by a wide margin and had less conference success and postseason success than the previous coach. He did nothing to improve CofC's program during those years as far as winning or championships or postseason success.
His two best years came when they moved into the CAA and went to his lone Super, which at the time was a weaker baseball conference than the SoCon.
In his first three years at Clemson he won 44, 42, and 47 games and went 55-33 in the ACC.
In his last three full seasons he won 34, 25, and 35 games and went 44-51 in the ACC.
He missed the postseason his last two years at Clemson which was the first time they had missed consecutive postseasons in nearly 40 years. They had only missed the postseason once since 1986 and he managed to do it twice in his last two years.
His 95 wins in his last three full seasons was the worst three year stretch in Clemson baseball since 1974-76, nearly 50 years. His 25 wins in 2021 was their worst season since 1974.
In the 16 years prior to Lee Clemson had 9 Super Regional appearances and he made ZERO in six full seasons.
In 2021 and 2022 he finished 5th and 6th in the Atlantic division which were the worst finishes for Clemson since 1957--65 years.
The optics of him being fired from Clemson don't mean anything to me. His results at Clemson were historically putrid compared to their standards and previous success. He was having their worst seasons in 65 years. That's not hyperbole, but a fact. He didn't just have a couple of borderline bad years, he had historically terrible seasons for a program that was was used to a high level of success.
He has been a HC for 13 full seasons and has one Super regional appearance.
The only opinion I'll interject in this post is that this resume should not get you hired as the HC of the South Carolina baseball program.
Take these facts and make your own decision as to whether Lee is the best candidate for the job.
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Posted on Jun 10th, 10:34 AM, , User Since 104 months ago, User Post Count: 4395
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Boy! I’m sold!
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:36 AM, , User Since 199 months ago, User Post Count: 4514
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Posted on Jun 10th, 10:38 AM, , User Since 140 months ago, User Post Count: 36716
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Catch the fever!
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:39 AM, , User Since 235 months ago, User Post Count: 6001
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Sign me up!
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:40 AM, , User Since 42 months ago, User Post Count: 12140
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At this point, I want a hire made so that we can get cracking on the portal. It seems like my choices won't be Ray's choice, so I don't care who it is. Just get it done so we can start bringing in some studs.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:41 AM, , User Since 86 months ago, User Post Count: 2896
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The case for Monte Lee is that no elite baseball coach wants to work for Ray Tanner.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:42 AM, , User Since 7 months ago, User Post Count: 352
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Last 3 years his recruiting must have been bad.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:45 AM, , User Since 142 months ago, User Post Count: 3208
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This is true and I am not advocating for Lee, but his first few years at Clemson, he had some good to great accolades as well. It is only fair to post that information along side the failures to properly represent your case.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:46 AM, , User Since 259 months ago, User Post Count: 10353
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I've accepted it's going to be Monte, time to get moving
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:47 AM, , User Since 102 months ago, User Post Count: 3820
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He had a winning percentage of .640 at Clemson. His final two years were really bad.
I don't think his resume should get him a job at South Carolina, but if you look at the first ten years of him coaching - he's got a winning percentage of .669 - and he 7 of 10 NCAATs and made it to the Supers.
Did he learn from the last few years to where he can get back to being the kind of coach that can get a team to win 40 games? Maybe.
I don't love it, but it's not like he was never a successful HC.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:49 AM, , User Since 165 months ago, User Post Count: 7831
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The case for Monte Lee could be that we need to get back to what made South Carolina baseball the top program in the nation. To me, it starts with dominating the recruiting in state, then supplementing that talent. Tanner used the JUCO system, Lee seems very comfortable with the portal…Lee walks into any high school in the state, and we are immediately a top contender for any player we want. Hire a top flight staff, keep the guys we need to keep, and I think this ship can be turned around a lot faster than people think. Lee was never a fit at Clemson, yet he won at a very high clip until Covid. At this point, I think he makes the most sense. Baseball, of all sports is a players game, and he understands that. I trust him as much as anyone to be able to get the dudes that are needed to turn the corner.
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Posted on Jun 10th, 10:49 AM, , User Since 212 months ago, User Post Count: 9944
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jthomas694 said... (original post) He had a winning percentage of .640 at Clemson. His final two years were really bad.I don't think his resume should get him a job at South Carol...
He wasn't as successful at CofC as his predecessor.
Four out of six regionals at Clemson and zero Supers was their worst run in 65 years.
There's no way to spin it.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:55 AM, , User Since 199 months ago, User Post Count: 4514
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The only reason I can think of to even be a little excited about hiring Lee is on the small chance that he does bring us back to the consistent success of 2000-2013, then it will be glorious to see Clemson fans get so upset.
Much prefer not to bother.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:55 AM, , User Since 102 months ago, User Post Count: 3820
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BTco*ck said... (original post) He wasn't as successful at CofC as his predecessor. Four out of six regionals at Clemson and zero Supers was their worst run in 65 years. There...
That's just not true - he has more than half of CofC's NCAAT appearances and one of their two SR appearances. He also had a better winning percentage than his predecessor at CofC.
His first four years at Clemson was a lot better than the final five years of Leggett.
Clemson didn't make the tournament once from 1982-1986 and didn't make the Supers at all during the 80s lol.
He's not a great candidate - you don't have to make things up
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:57 AM, , User Since 66 months ago, User Post Count: 4158
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FIRE RAY TANNER. Predetermined internal hire with a bs coaching search.
The fact he can’t generate any outside interest from good coaches for our “blue blood” job is incredible too.
If we are going the risky/unproven route it should be Elander no doubt.
Posted on Jun 10th, 10:58 AM, , User Since 66 months ago, User Post Count: 4158
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CarolinaWhite2 said... (original post) The case for Monte Lee is that no elite baseball coach wants to work for Ray Tanner.
Which is wild to think about
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:01 AM, , User Since 143 months ago, User Post Count: 7059
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Talked to a diehard clemson guy that works for me and is a big baseball guy who played.
Told him looks like we might hire Monte. Expected him to say yeah I hope yall do so you will suck.
Instead he said you know Lee isn't a bad coach just didn't work out at clemson.
None of this means anything at all just sharing a convo I had this morning.Posted on Jun 10th, 11:05 AM, , User Since 212 months ago, User Post Count: 9944
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jthomas694 said... (original post) That's just not true - he has more than half of CofC's NCAAT appearances and one of their two SR appearances. He also had a better winning perce...
There were no such thing as Supers in the 1980s.
At least pretend to know something about the subject matter.
Or better yet, don't--that way we know to ignore you because it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:09 AM, , User Since 215 months ago, User Post Count: 18524
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Gameco*ckGreat10 said... (original post) Boy! I’m sold!
Maybe you shouldn't be because it's not true. First of all, he absolutely did make the supers at C of C. Secondly, he did this when they moved up from SoCon into the CAA. Then he went to Clemson finishing 4th, 3rd then 1st in his division in the ACC. The next year, he fell to 4th again, then covid hit.
His last two years were a real struggle, ending in his lone sub-.500 record.
I don't pretend to know if there were mitigating factors at Clemson. But I do know JW pointed out that whatever happened up there is no reason to believe it would happen here, at a very different program.
Literally the only that should matter when it comes to Lee is does he know why it fell apart up there (we've been told he does) and does he know how to prevent that from happening again. I don't know the answer to that, but I'm not the interviewer. All I know for sure is using bad statistics to make a case that he shouldn't be considered is a terrible idea.
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:13 AM, , User Since 140 months ago, User Post Count: 36716
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jthomas694 said... (original post) That's just not true - he has more than half of CofC's NCAAT appearances and one of their two SR appearances. He also had a better win...
No supers in the 80s?! Holy cow!
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:16 AM, , User Since 155 months ago, User Post Count: 3144
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BTco*ck said... (original post) Lets take a look at Lee's actual resume and his success or lack of success at his previous two head coaching positions. No opinions here, just facts...
You must have a lot of time on your hands.
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:24 AM, , User Since 165 months ago, User Post Count: 1993
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Looks like he had the Cougs rolling his last two years, and in a tougher conference than the SoCon (2014: CAA 12th, SoCon 13th; 2015: CAA 14th, SoCon 19th) per Warren Nolan RPI data.
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:33 AM, , User Since 7 months ago, User Post Count: 515
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God awful idea
Posted on Jun 10th, 11:35 AM, , User Since 43 months ago, User Post Count: 2426
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BTco*ck said... (original post) Lets take a look at Lee's actual resume and his success or lack of success at his previous two head coaching positions. No opinions here, just ...
We should not hire Monte.
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Posted on Jun 10th, 11:36 AM, , User Since 66 months ago, User Post Count: 4874
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We need to take a hard look at the athletic department and determine why we can’t attract top candidates. It was 1 thing when it happened in basketball, but now we can’t even get a baseball coach to come here and work for a baseball AD?
